I bet the library has the book so sure, we can swap. I'll try the movie. And no, I haven't seen Mean Girls. I've heard about it, though.

... yes. He does save puppies.

As a kid who wanted to do nothing but read and fight, I think that'd be really sweet to build up their library. Maybe with some audiobooks, too. For those who have trouble reading. And I said I'd watch it! Do you have it?

He's not Fisk, I'll give him that.

I think that's a great idea for the kids. They'll appreciate it. Depending on the streaming service, I might have it. Foggy got me set up with a few. So I could watch Star Trek and some other shows. There's like twenty now though so yeah, I might not have the right one.

Frank is brutal, Kate. Yes, he has a code he lives by, but it's not... I won't pretend I haven't worked with him. I have. Do I trust him entirely, though? No. At the end of the day Frank is gonna do what he wants. And what he wants I don't always agree with. That's all.

Hey, it could be worse. I could invite Peter over for a Trek Night. You'd have two Trekkies trying to convince you. [What, have he and Peter had Trek Nights in the past? Did Matt make Trek themed food and Peter came ready to explain how the science Could Work No Really? ... maybe.] You can sell Mean Girls to me in exchange.

... all right. Fine. You're right. I shouldn't have compared him to Fisk. [Matt could be a little judgmental when killing was involved.] ... Frank had my back when someone I loved died. So. No. He's not Fisk. [Frank had literally played sniper while Matt cradled a dead Elektra. There was nothing for Frank to gain at that point. Just like Matt going in to rescue Frank hadn't been for ulterior motives.

Did he have to kill, though? Frank could do so much more than his shitty bunker life.

Maybe that's why Matt's mad sometimes. He wants more for Frank than Frank seems to want for himself. Just like Matt's friends say about him being Daredevil.]

I'm sorry. That was a shitty comment of me to make about him.

Good Trek deals with ethics and social justice and politics and morality. It... fine. I'm a geek.

I bet Thurgood Marshall liked Trek.

I didn't compare you, but when something said is wrong, it's important to note it. We need to normalize admitting to fucking up and trying to do better. If I don't hold myself to my own standards, why should I expect people in court to say anything? People in the streets? It all matters.

[There's just a long moment of silence because minus the actual mentioning of Trek, chaining one another up and having prolonged moral debates was literally the first few weeks of Matt's relationship with Frank.] I'm just saying, ethical debating has it's place.

I am not admitting that. And I still say he needs more than a nap.

I don't like crowds. Josie's is as much as I wanna handle.

I'm going to give Lucky a spa day. We're going to have oatmeal baths and cucumber masks and soothing music.

Yeah. It's kind of why I avoid parades and big concerts. Large crowds get to be a bit much. It's not that I can't be in them, it just gives me a monster headache.

[Wincing, Matt holds the phone away from his ear a moment too late.] I said the dog gets the spa treatment, not me.

I prefer chill, but Foggy's family can get pretty loud and heated. Especially when the holiday boardgames come out. Some things are worth the headache, though.

The penance is in doing something kind to someone who deserves it. The dog in this case. If he eats the cucumbers instead of wearing them without guidance, I'm all right with that.

Oh, that kind of holiday. Then yeah. I mean, I want to see some large cities like Paris or Rome, but being lowkey while there would be good. And yes, Foggy's got a very big family. Which is good. They can take care of one another.

I'll be giving him the spa treatment, I just won't be having it myself. I don't mind giving him a doggy massage. He does tend to follow people everywhere though, doesn't he? I keep telling him I'm not going anywhere exciting and he doesn't believe me.

Yeah, maybe. What about you? Do you prefer something wild and crazy in your time off?

There's no loyalty like a dog's. I like to think I'm pretty loyal but even I let people pee and shower in private.

Like those underwater or ice hotels?

Yeah, it's one of those things that are only cute when pets do it.

They do sound pretty cool, yeah. Although I don't like being cold, so maybe not the ice hotel.

Would a dog be my daemon? I'm not sure. There are a lot of cool animals. Would a hawk be yours?