How do you know I won't convince the cape that it doesn't need Strange and can stand on it's own tapestry? That Fantasia would have gone down differently if Mickey hadn't been able to command the brooms to start, but the brooms had the autonomy and rights to decide when to dust themselves?
You know when people do random shit like that I ask Frank if it's him just to annoy him. 'Hey, there's this criminal that uses stilts, or this guy who really loves animal balloons. Are you back in town?'
Not gonna lie, Daredevil having a haunted red cape as a sidekick would be pretty incredible. Do you think you could convince it to join your cause? [They should probably work on making more superhero allies instead of stealing their friends, but...] ... I'm sorry, what about Mickey and brooms?
And he doesn't block you?! Aaaaw, Matt. What you guys have is clearly special.
If I did I don't remember it. But you always bring up cartoon movies. [Only then it hits her. It's probably because he was a kid and most of the movies he ever watched were meant for children.] Why was it so haunting?
I know a bromance when I hear about it. Also, you need to introduce me someday. Because I'd kill to see you two hanging.
... yeah. I guess those are the ones that stuck with me the most. Probably weird to talk about. Anyway, it just had some creepy visuals in it. Nothing big.
I'm not sure anyone actually 'hangs out' with Frank Castle.
Well, that pretty much sets up a plan for us then. The dogs in heaven movie and Fantasia and anything else that traumatized you during your childhood. [She's not sure if that helps. But it's better than watching something with him in which he misses on half the experience. At least going back through his memories, to the first time when he watched this, it all might be more fulfilling for him?
Besides, she does wanna share something that is clearly special to him.] And creepy visuals work for me.
I could totally hang with Frank Castle. All I need to do is bring Lucky along.
It's a little embarrassing. I swear I've seen many movies since I was nine.
I know Frank's stopped a dog fighting ring, and he adopted a gang's guard dog for awhile. So yeah. I'd say he's a dog person. Only with the dogs being better behaved than he is.
How is that embarrassing? Do I make you feel embarrassed? [Well, she does sometimes. But she's not trying to do that over this.]
.... The Punisher stopped a dog fighting ring and adopted a puppy? [Yep. That is probably a sound Matt easily recognises by now. The sound of a girl's heart melting right then and there.]
No! No, it's not you. I just... didn't realize I was fixating on childhood things, I guess. Felt a little silly for it. You didn't say anything wrong, though. You've been nice about it.
He did. Max stayed with me a few times when he was traveling. Not that Frank asked, or I'd say I'm not babysitting a dog while he goes on a killing spree. I'd just have a dog turn up in my apartment until he picked him up again with a note saying to stop spoiling the mutt with homecooked meals. [Matt sounds a little disgruntled. Not over the dog, but over Frank being... Frank.] Then he found Max a family with kids.
... this does NOT make Frank cuddly, Kate. I can hear your voice. He's not.
[OOC: Am I changing canon so that Matt knew Max and dogsat for him? Yes. Am I sorry? No.]
Matt, there's nothing to be nice about. Or to feel silly about. I like knowing these things about you. [A beat.] What was your favorite movie as a child?
[Oh, she so betrayed herself by making the most humiliating of noises as Matt described his relationship with Frank, his dog and how Punisher had later found a loving home to said dog.
It's no wonder Matt calls her out.][Oh, fuck. No wonder Karen has such a soft spot for him.] But he's clearly just a grouchy teddy bear that needs a nap!
[OOC: I fully, wholeheartedly approve of this canon and the MCU should hire you already. KEVIN FEIGE YOU'RE SLEEPING ON THIS.]
All Dogs Go to Heaven and The Sword in the Stone were high on that list. I also really liked The Goonies. When I would get really frustrated as a kid my dad would always quote that movie. Murdocks never say die. It'd make me laugh. The Neverending Story. Princess Bride. The old Errol Flynn Robin Hood. Even as a kid I liked Star Trek. ... I know that's more than one, but that's what I remember the most. You?
Frank needs to be repeatedly knocked unconscious, you mean. A nap won't cure that insanity.
Oh, I think I watched The Sword in the Stone! And I loved The Princess Bride. But we're so going to have to watch The Goonies and the others, because I so need to learn those quotes. [She also wants to make Matt laugh.] Well, to me it was the other Robin Hood, the fox one. I probably watched most Robin Hood movies while growing up, but not that one. [Is that a fail? Probably.]
But I really loved Pirates of the Caribbean, Matilda, The Lion King, Mean Girls, Happy Feet, Shrek...
Not sure if your method is the best one, Matt. C'mon, even Karen says that deep down he is a good guy.
I read Matilda, if that counts? I was a fan of Dahl growing up. I do remember the fox Robin Hood, too. Maybe Shrek is where your love for donkeys came.
Frank is... Frank. I trust him not to hurt a dog. I don't trust him not to kill first and ask questions never.
I havent', if that counts. But we can always swap and try each other's version. What about Mean Girls? I bet you'll find it hilarious. [She snorts.] You got me. It's the exact same reason why I'm looking for a ginger cat with a taste for footwear.
I might buy it. And a bunch of other children's books to take to church later. Don't think the kids will mind if I give it a read first. [Kate made a show as she gasped at the other side of the line.] Matt, you're missing out on a true classic!
As a kid who wanted to do nothing but read and fight, I think that'd be really sweet to build up their library. Maybe with some audiobooks, too. For those who have trouble reading. And I said I'd watch it! Do you have it?
Definitely some audiobooks too, yes. And some of those sensory ones will probably come handy, too. [She didn't want to do this just to please Matt. But Kate was genuinelly inspired by how he always encouraged ways to help others, in and out of the Daredevil suit.] I'm pretty sure it's on stream somewhere. I can set my accounts on your TV and we can watch it.
I can't believe you even hinted at him being anywhere close to Fisk!
I think that's a great idea for the kids. They'll appreciate it. Depending on the streaming service, I might have it. Foggy got me set up with a few. So I could watch Star Trek and some other shows. There's like twenty now though so yeah, I might not have the right one.
Frank is brutal, Kate. Yes, he has a code he lives by, but it's not... I won't pretend I haven't worked with him. I have. Do I trust him entirely, though? No. At the end of the day Frank is gonna do what he wants. And what he wants I don't always agree with. That's all.
Okay, okay, I get it. You're a trekkie. And if I'm gonna stay with you I won't have a choice, will I? I'm gonna have to sit down with you and see what all the fuss is about. [A beat.] And Mean Girls.
Yeah, but you can't put him anywhere near Fisk's category. I mean... It's messed up to think that someone can murder like Frank does. But... I mean, he does have a code and he has some compassion.
Hey, it could be worse. I could invite Peter over for a Trek Night. You'd have two Trekkies trying to convince you. [What, have he and Peter had Trek Nights in the past? Did Matt make Trek themed food and Peter came ready to explain how the science Could Work No Really? ... maybe.] You can sell Mean Girls to me in exchange.
... all right. Fine. You're right. I shouldn't have compared him to Fisk. [Matt could be a little judgmental when killing was involved.] ... Frank had my back when someone I loved died. So. No. He's not Fisk. [Frank had literally played sniper while Matt cradled a dead Elektra. There was nothing for Frank to gain at that point. Just like Matt going in to rescue Frank hadn't been for ulterior motives.
Did he have to kill, though? Frank could do so much more than his shitty bunker life.
Maybe that's why Matt's mad sometimes. He wants more for Frank than Frank seems to want for himself. Just like Matt's friends say about him being Daredevil.]
I'm sorry. That was a shitty comment of me to make about him.
I'm sorry, do you hear me complaining? I like hearing you geek out. I totally shatters this picture of Daredevil being so scary and ruthless when I know he speaks alien languages. [Has she ever felt intimidated by him? No, never. But she has felt the hair on her arms come to a stand when the devil was let loose. It was truly impressive to see.
She was going to have to keep herself from laughing and ruining his moments if her memory betrayed her. What if her mind went back to this conversation in the middle of Matt beating up some bad guy?]
Hey, you don't need to apologize. [And just because she can't help herself...] It's not me who you just compared to a giant scrotum.
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Date: 2025-05-04 08:46 pm (UTC)[She blows a raspberry in clear - fake - anoyance.] Same noises you make when someone throws a rosary near a criminal.
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Date: 2025-05-04 08:51 pm (UTC)You know when people do random shit like that I ask Frank if it's him just to annoy him. 'Hey, there's this criminal that uses stilts, or this guy who really loves animal balloons. Are you back in town?'
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Date: 2025-05-04 09:10 pm (UTC)And he doesn't block you?! Aaaaw, Matt. What you guys have is clearly special.
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Date: 2025-05-04 09:22 pm (UTC)Well, I can't kill him, he'd just get smug about it.
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Date: 2025-05-04 09:28 pm (UTC)I know a bromance when I hear about it. Also, you need to introduce me someday. Because I'd kill to see you two hanging.
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Date: 2025-05-04 09:32 pm (UTC)I'm not sure anyone actually 'hangs out' with Frank Castle.
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Date: 2025-05-04 09:39 pm (UTC)Besides, she does wanna share something that is clearly special to him.] And creepy visuals work for me.
I could totally hang with Frank Castle. All I need to do is bring Lucky along.
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Date: 2025-05-04 09:45 pm (UTC)Frank and Lucky would be hanging out. You'd just be there as Lucky's plus one.
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Date: 2025-05-04 09:55 pm (UTC)Is he a dog person? [Not that it matters, everyone is a Lucky person.] I don't care. He is my ticket for me to watch you guys.
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Date: 2025-05-04 10:03 pm (UTC)I know Frank's stopped a dog fighting ring, and he adopted a gang's guard dog for awhile. So yeah. I'd say he's a dog person. Only with the dogs being better behaved than he is.
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Date: 2025-05-04 10:05 pm (UTC).... The Punisher stopped a dog fighting ring and adopted a puppy? [Yep. That is probably a sound Matt easily recognises by now. The sound of a girl's heart melting right then and there.]
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Date: 2025-05-04 10:19 pm (UTC)He did. Max stayed with me a few times when he was traveling. Not that Frank asked, or I'd say I'm not babysitting a dog while he goes on a killing spree. I'd just have a dog turn up in my apartment until he picked him up again with a note saying to stop spoiling the mutt with homecooked meals. [Matt sounds a little disgruntled. Not over the dog, but over Frank being... Frank.] Then he found Max a family with kids.
... this does NOT make Frank cuddly, Kate. I can hear your voice. He's not.
[OOC: Am I changing canon so that Matt knew Max and dogsat for him? Yes. Am I sorry? No.]
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Date: 2025-05-04 10:28 pm (UTC)[Oh, she so betrayed herself by making the most humiliating of noises as Matt described his relationship with Frank, his dog and how Punisher had later found a loving home to said dog.
It's no wonder Matt calls her out.][Oh, fuck. No wonder Karen has such a soft spot for him.] But he's clearly just a grouchy teddy bear that needs a nap!
[OOC: I fully, wholeheartedly approve of this canon and the MCU should hire you already. KEVIN FEIGE YOU'RE SLEEPING ON THIS.]
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Date: 2025-05-04 10:47 pm (UTC)Frank needs to be repeatedly knocked unconscious, you mean. A nap won't cure that insanity.
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Date: 2025-05-04 11:03 pm (UTC)But I really loved Pirates of the Caribbean, Matilda, The Lion King, Mean Girls, Happy Feet, Shrek...
Not sure if your method is the best one, Matt. C'mon, even Karen says that deep down he is a good guy.
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Date: 2025-05-04 11:09 pm (UTC)Frank is... Frank. I trust him not to hurt a dog. I don't trust him not to kill first and ask questions never.
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Date: 2025-05-04 11:17 pm (UTC)... But at least he saves puppies?
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Date: 2025-05-04 11:25 pm (UTC)... yes. He does save puppies.
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Date: 2025-05-04 11:30 pm (UTC)See? He can't be that bad!
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Date: 2025-05-04 11:34 pm (UTC)He's not Fisk, I'll give him that.
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Date: 2025-05-04 11:42 pm (UTC)I can't believe you even hinted at him being anywhere close to Fisk!
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Date: 2025-05-04 11:47 pm (UTC)Frank is brutal, Kate. Yes, he has a code he lives by, but it's not... I won't pretend I haven't worked with him. I have. Do I trust him entirely, though? No. At the end of the day Frank is gonna do what he wants. And what he wants I don't always agree with. That's all.
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Date: 2025-05-04 11:59 pm (UTC)Yeah, but you can't put him anywhere near Fisk's category. I mean... It's messed up to think that someone can murder like Frank does. But... I mean, he does have a code and he has some compassion.
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Date: 2025-05-05 12:05 am (UTC)... all right. Fine. You're right. I shouldn't have compared him to Fisk. [Matt could be a little judgmental when killing was involved.] ... Frank had my back when someone I loved died. So. No. He's not Fisk. [Frank had literally played sniper while Matt cradled a dead Elektra. There was nothing for Frank to gain at that point. Just like Matt going in to rescue Frank hadn't been for ulterior motives.
Did he have to kill, though? Frank could do so much more than his shitty bunker life.
Maybe that's why Matt's mad sometimes. He wants more for Frank than Frank seems to want for himself. Just like Matt's friends say about him being Daredevil.]
I'm sorry. That was a shitty comment of me to make about him.
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Date: 2025-05-05 12:15 am (UTC)She was going to have to keep herself from laughing and ruining his moments if her memory betrayed her. What if her mind went back to this conversation in the middle of Matt beating up some bad guy?]
Hey, you don't need to apologize. [And just because she can't help herself...] It's not me who you just compared to a giant scrotum.
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