Nobody said anything about boobs. Oh, my God, I can't believe you wanna sign boobs!
... Sorry about that, Matt. Like, I didn't mean to bring up awkward memories.
Foggy's singing was spectacular. [A beat.] You know, pretty sure that there was a song I heard him sing once. It was a night when you guys came over and we were cooking at my place and you called me out about not having enough supplies and stuff in my kitchen. [It's such a nice memory.] That song is kinda trending now.
It was not out of the blue! You mentioned people being thirsty and ovaries exploding. And people have asked me. I declined.
Sister Maggie is great. A real hardass, but I guess you have to be advocating for the poor, orphaned, and sick. She held off a Hand ninja once while in her habitat.
Of course I know Queen. I know older music a lot better than I do ones that have come out in the past decade. "Under Pressure" was a favorite of Foggy's. I remember that.
The boob signing clearly left an impression on you because it was pretty much out of the blue. What about guys? They ever asked you to sign their tits too?
I'm sorry, your mom had a ninja at the orphanage?
My dad was a real big fan of Bowie so I knew the song. But, the weird thing is that for some reason it's been trending lately and people really focused on one part. I just realized that I've never really paid a lot of attention to the lyrics before. But they've really hit me now.
[She considers it for a second, but then quietly shares it, in a way that is the middle-ground between singing and reciting them.]
Cause love's such an old-fashioned word. And love dares you to care for the people on the edge of the night. And love dares you to change our way of caring about ourselves...
I've had some who wanted me to sign their chests. Which made no sense to me, until someone said that they were then gonna get it tattooed over the signing. I declined.
At the church attached to the orphanage. The kids don't live in the chapel, you have to walk to it, if that makes sense? I presume they were there for me, but she held her own until I got there. She's one tough lady. [Who gave up Matthew because her post-partum depression drove her to fear hurting him. Who suffered alone for so long in shame over her mental illness, who was now an advocate for others. As she'd told him 'I'm a nun, Matthew. Helping people is what I was called to do.' Their road to reconciliation had been rocky, but Matt understood her better now. He'd forgiven her.]
... I never paid much attention to the lyrics, either. Those do hit a little differently these days. Apparently, they do for a lot of people.
Afraid someone will discover your secret identity if they compare your signature to Daredevil's? [She has to give it to those people, that would be a neat tattoo.]
Oh, yeah. I get it now. [And it really puts things in a perspective. How important secret identities can be, even if at the end of they day Fisk knew exactly who they were, each one of those who stood up against him. So, what was the point? Their loved ones, like Matt's mom, they needed to fight their own fights because of them.] She does sound like a pretty impressive lady.
They do, don't they? Like, we so need people to start caring more about each other. But... It also makes me think of you guys. You are someone who cares about the people in the edge of the night, Matt. So did Foggy and Karen, in their own way.
[And there's something more.]
And learning to care more about ourselves because we have people who love us...
Is there something in particular she likes? Like, chocolates or whatever. [Wait...] Are nuns allowed to accept chocolates?
Yeah, maybe. You have a point, yeah.
.... Guess that's the whole deal about 'love dares you', you know? Maybe it's not even romantic love. Like, when people have kids and they say that it changes their lives completely.
No, it wouldn't be better. I'm not signing anyone's body parts. It's weird.
Not if people are using the chocolates to woo her, but I really hope that's not what you'd be doing by buying her chocolates.
I think it's natural to want to be a better person because of the people around you. Translating that into taking better care of yourself... it's hard when that sometimes directly contradicts the job you have to do.
... You're a weido, did you know that? [That's so messed up. So messed up she's gonna use it against it.] Why? Afraid you'll end up calling me 'mommy'?
Yeah, that's a good point. But there's also different types of looking after yourself.
[Kate lets out a laugh at Matt's confusion.] Not cosplayers signing! I meant if you'd sign a cosplay. Like, helmets and stuff. People used to ask that of Cap or Tony Stark.
Shit, I can't even go on with that joke. [It just felt wrong.] I'm just thinking... You know when you go to someone's house and you come with a bottle of wine or some gift of some kind... Should I bring something?
[Now, that is a good question.] ... Huh... Not dying? [She might suck a little at caring about herself, really.]
Right, because you think he didn't sign any tits? Unlike you, he probably drew all over them.
But it's totally necessary! If you bring donuts to a meeting everyone is instantly in a good mood. [Not that she thinks Matt's mom will dislike her. Or that Kate wants to suck up to her.] But, you know, if you think it's not appropiate then that's okay.
Hey, you're being unfair. I never called you out for it! I'm just -- The song reminds me of you, that's all.
Yeah, that doesn't say anything positive about him or the people wanting a Stark autograph on themselves.
I don't think it's inappropriate, just not necessary. It's very sweet, Kate. You don't have to but if you did I'm sure she'd appreciate it. She likes chai teas.
It sounds like it applies to you, too. I can worry about you.
I just like getting things for people. [Just like she had brought a nice bottle the day Matt invited her to visit the office of his new firm for the first time.] And chai tea is totally doable.
Guess we'll have to share the song then. [She goes silent, wondering if she's crossing some line. But... She already said it, it's not necesarilly romantic. It's fine.] Caring about each other. [She breaths out the next words with a little amusement.] Trying to figure how to look after ourselves.
I think his policies and choices over the decades have been short-sighted, selfish, eco-and-ego-centric, and incredibly harmful. A Hail Mary sacrifice at the end doesn't change the damage done by years of systemic willful ignorance, with pathetic golf claps at high level policies without ever living where the ideology needed to exist. ... maybe he was a nice man in person, but he was not a good man for governmental policies, and just because he had money he never should have been given the chance to push changes. Which goes for most of our 1%. At least you're living and experiencing the needs of people on the streets. It's not all about fighting aliens and trying to pull a Fisk at a national level with Registration.
[Matt had lived on a street level through that bullshit. He'd lived through so many 'mishaps' at Stark Industries. The problem wasn't just the man, it was The Man, the systemic corrupted system that gave far too much power to predominately rich white men with toys.] For the record, I don't like Stark Industries any better with Pepper Potts in charge. She can cry about the poor kids and throw money around all she wants that's really just pocket change to her, it doesn't change the inherent corruption at that level of disproportionate wealth. And again, I'm sure she's not some evil witch. She's just benefitting from a system that needs change at the starting level, not someone smiling at the camera as they write a check.
... I'm sorry. I just... I'm in the courtroom all the time with these people's lawyers. It's exhausting. It's not an attack on you, who at least are there on a street level fighting alongside people who need it. Or even Tony or Pepper. It's just a broken system that we can get drunk over one day if you really want to hear how some broke lawyer from Hell's Kitchen would start addressing it.
... anyway, back to tea. My mom does like chai! I wasn't lying. I can't help it if I'm my mother's son.
... I remember. Two golden retrievers bonding. He really liked you, Kate.
[Kate falls silent, hearing Matt's tone as he gets more and more heated, talking about the issues men like the one who sold the phone that is right now in her hands, the issues men like him perpetrated.
Maybe Kate had never been too crazy about Stark, but Matt, speaking on that sharp tone she's seen him reserve for court or snappy clients, he opens her eyes in a way she had not experienced before. Because even though she can be conscious about these issues at times, there's so many things that sometimes simply goes over her head, practically unnoticed.]
You... Do have a lot ot feelings about this. [She comments right before Matt apologizes for it.] Hey! No, no, it's okay. I -- You know I love it when you get passionate about stuff. And every point you made makes so much sense! It's cool, Matt. Really!
... So, you normally bond about tea?
Two golden retrievers, yeah. [She falls silent.] I hope so. We didn't hang that often, but every time left a cool memory. Foggy always had the best stories.
[A beat.] Angela, Hector's niece, came to me. When Hector died. She checked my own privilege. I have it, even while having been on the shit receiving end of people like Stark's. I just wish people would be open to learn. So. It's not about ranting. It's about finding solutions. One at a time. I know Fisk is the priority now.
Yeah. She and I bond over tea now. And she became a sounding board when Lantom died. I don't know. My dad... he was just solid, you know? He was always there. Always. My mother... we had to work to trust one another. It taught me a lot about myself. About giving people grace.
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It wasn't terrible there. The nuns were nice, albeit busy with so many kids. Just weird to revisit as an adult something from childhood. That's all.
A thrown shoe still doesn't prove she can sing.
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Yeah, I think I kinda get it. Maybe I was too used to visit mom. It is kinda weird to sleep in my childhood bed, though.
No, but it might make your dream come true and make you deaf.
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Yeah, exactly. Not traumatizing, just weird. Especially since I just had a bed and dresser, not even a room of my own.
You'd think after years of listening to Foggy sing I'd be immune to off-key.
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... Sorry about that, Matt. Like, I didn't mean to bring up awkward memories.
Foggy's singing was spectacular. [A beat.] You know, pretty sure that there was a song I heard him sing once. It was a night when you guys came over and we were cooking at my place and you called me out about not having enough supplies and stuff in my kitchen. [It's such a nice memory.] That song is kinda trending now.
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It's fine. I didn't mention it in a woe is me way, just a momentary musing on that it's weird.
What song was that?
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Okay. You know, just in case. [She considers things.] It'll be nice to meet your mom.
It's a real old song by David Bowie and that band called Queen. You know Queen, right?
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Sister Maggie is great. A real hardass, but I guess you have to be advocating for the poor, orphaned, and sick. She held off a Hand ninja once while in her habitat.
Of course I know Queen. I know older music a lot better than I do ones that have come out in the past decade. "Under Pressure" was a favorite of Foggy's. I remember that.
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I'm sorry, your mom had a ninja at the orphanage?
My dad was a real big fan of Bowie so I knew the song. But, the weird thing is that for some reason it's been trending lately and people really focused on one part. I just realized that I've never really paid a lot of attention to the lyrics before. But they've really hit me now.
[She considers it for a second, but then quietly shares it, in a way that is the middle-ground between singing and reciting them.]
Cause love's such an old-fashioned word.
And love dares you to care for the people on the edge of the night.
And love dares you to change our way of caring about ourselves...
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At the church attached to the orphanage. The kids don't live in the chapel, you have to walk to it, if that makes sense? I presume they were there for me, but she held her own until I got there. She's one tough lady. [Who gave up Matthew because her post-partum depression drove her to fear hurting him. Who suffered alone for so long in shame over her mental illness, who was now an advocate for others. As she'd told him 'I'm a nun, Matthew. Helping people is what I was called to do.' Their road to reconciliation had been rocky, but Matt understood her better now. He'd forgiven her.]
... I never paid much attention to the lyrics, either. Those do hit a little differently these days. Apparently, they do for a lot of people.
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Oh, yeah. I get it now. [And it really puts things in a perspective. How important secret identities can be, even if at the end of they day Fisk knew exactly who they were, each one of those who stood up against him. So, what was the point? Their loved ones, like Matt's mom, they needed to fight their own fights because of them.] She does sound like a pretty impressive lady.
They do, don't they? Like, we so need people to start caring more about each other. But... It also makes me think of you guys. You are someone who cares about the people in the edge of the night, Matt. So did Foggy and Karen, in their own way.
[And there's something more.]
And learning to care more about ourselves because we have people who love us...
[Will Matt ever do that?]
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She is.
I'd say you do the same. You're out there at night too, not just me.
... It's a hard lesson to learn.
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Is there something in particular she likes? Like, chocolates or whatever. [Wait...] Are nuns allowed to accept chocolates?
Yeah, maybe. You have a point, yeah.
.... Guess that's the whole deal about 'love dares you', you know? Maybe it's not even romantic love. Like, when people have kids and they say that it changes their lives completely.
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Not if people are using the chocolates to woo her, but I really hope that's not what you'd be doing by buying her chocolates.
I think it's natural to want to be a better person because of the people around you. Translating that into taking better care of yourself... it's hard when that sometimes directly contradicts the job you have to do.
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... You're a weido, did you know that? [That's so messed up. So messed up she's gonna use it against it.] Why? Afraid you'll end up calling me 'mommy'?
Yeah, that's a good point. But there's also different types of looking after yourself.
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You're the weird one, wanting to woo a nun with chocolates. Leave the religious folks be, Kate.
So what type of looking after yourself do you do?
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Shit, I can't even go on with that joke. [It just felt wrong.] I'm just thinking... You know when you go to someone's house and you come with a bottle of wine or some gift of some kind... Should I bring something?
[Now, that is a good question.] ... Huh... Not dying? [She might suck a little at caring about herself, really.]
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I think that is very sweet of you. Probably not necessary to bring something to a meeting about volunteer work, but she does like tea and chocolate.
Physician, heal thyself.
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But it's totally necessary! If you bring donuts to a meeting everyone is instantly in a good mood. [Not that she thinks Matt's mom will dislike her. Or that Kate wants to suck up to her.] But, you know, if you think it's not appropiate then that's okay.
Hey, you're being unfair. I never called you out for it! I'm just -- The song reminds me of you, that's all.
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I don't think it's inappropriate, just not necessary. It's very sweet, Kate. You don't have to but if you did I'm sure she'd appreciate it. She likes chai teas.
It sounds like it applies to you, too. I can worry about you.
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I just like getting things for people. [Just like she had brought a nice bottle the day Matt invited her to visit the office of his new firm for the first time.] And chai tea is totally doable.
Guess we'll have to share the song then. [She goes silent, wondering if she's crossing some line. But... She already said it, it's not necesarilly romantic. It's fine.] Caring about each other. [She breaths out the next words with a little amusement.] Trying to figure how to look after ourselves.
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If you get her extra I can have some when I visit her. Just make it good quality loose leaf tea.
It covers the bases when we fall short on ourselves.
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Oh, I see your true colors now. You want it for yourself!
Yeah, it does. [She suddenly chuckles.] But you remember that night at my place? Foggy got so shitfaced he ended on the floor with Lucky.
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[Matt had lived on a street level through that bullshit. He'd lived through so many 'mishaps' at Stark Industries. The problem wasn't just the man, it was The Man, the systemic corrupted system that gave far too much power to predominately rich white men with toys.] For the record, I don't like Stark Industries any better with Pepper Potts in charge. She can cry about the poor kids and throw money around all she wants that's really just pocket change to her, it doesn't change the inherent corruption at that level of disproportionate wealth. And again, I'm sure she's not some evil witch. She's just benefitting from a system that needs change at the starting level, not someone smiling at the camera as they write a check.
... I'm sorry. I just... I'm in the courtroom all the time with these people's lawyers. It's exhausting. It's not an attack on you, who at least are there on a street level fighting alongside people who need it. Or even Tony or Pepper. It's just a broken system that we can get drunk over one day if you really want to hear how some broke lawyer from Hell's Kitchen would start addressing it.
... anyway, back to tea. My mom does like chai! I wasn't lying. I can't help it if I'm my mother's son.
... I remember. Two golden retrievers bonding. He really liked you, Kate.
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Maybe Kate had never been too crazy about Stark, but Matt, speaking on that sharp tone she's seen him reserve for court or snappy clients, he opens her eyes in a way she had not experienced before. Because even though she can be conscious about these issues at times, there's so many things that sometimes simply goes over her head, practically unnoticed.]
You... Do have a lot ot feelings about this. [She comments right before Matt apologizes for it.] Hey! No, no, it's okay. I -- You know I love it when you get passionate about stuff. And every point you made makes so much sense! It's cool, Matt. Really!
... So, you normally bond about tea?
Two golden retrievers, yeah. [She falls silent.] I hope so. We didn't hang that often, but every time left a cool memory. Foggy always had the best stories.
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[A beat.] Angela, Hector's niece, came to me. When Hector died. She checked my own privilege. I have it, even while having been on the shit receiving end of people like Stark's. I just wish people would be open to learn. So. It's not about ranting. It's about finding solutions. One at a time. I know Fisk is the priority now.
Yeah. She and I bond over tea now. And she became a sounding board when Lantom died. I don't know. My dad... he was just solid, you know? He was always there. Always. My mother... we had to work to trust one another. It taught me a lot about myself. About giving people grace.
You remind me of him sometimes.
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